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The access to write_locked is not properly synchronized: In read, we access write_locked even if pthread_rwlock_rdlock failed. This is fixed.
Worse, POSiX read-write locks have UB when the thread holding the write lock attempts to acquire it again -- and yet nothing is stopping exactly that from happening in write. If we really want to use POSIX rwlocks, I think we have to implement a reentrancy detector. (And then maybe we also want to use that for mutex, so that we can use the static initializer and the most efficient code path?)
I agree that we're basically at the point that there's a ridiculous amount of constraints from OS primitives that the only program which doesn't have undefined behavior is correct ones, and we all know how often we write correct programs.
All these discussions are spread out over a number of issues though and PRs, and it's really difficult to keep it all in my own head at least. "This is UB" is a very strong motivation for reimplementing the standard library's primitives, but I think the scale of a change such as this would probably want to go through the RFC process. Such an RFC would be a great location to centralize all the various hazards of OS primitives and how unreasonable it is for us to try to appease all possible implementations. That in turns provides excellent motivation for alternative strategies.
Correction: Even some correct programs are UB. Reentrancy on the read lock of an RwLock is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and yet Windows declares it UB.
Whether reentrancy that leads to deadlocks is "correct" is open for interpretation, I guess ;) but anyway, it is safe, and hence "correct enough" for UB to be critical.
If a deadlock condition occurs or the calling thread already owns the read-write lock for writing or reading, the call shall either deadlock or return [EDEADLK].
So some time between the 1997 version and the 2018 version, this seems to have changed.
Can we expect Apple (and generally all our POSIX platforms) to follow a recent enough POSIX to rely on this?
The calling thread acquires the write lock if no other thread (reader or writer) holds the read-write lock rwlock. Otherwise, the thread shall block until it can acquire the lock. The calling thread may deadlock if at the time the call is made it holds the read-write lock (whether a read or write lock).
"may deadlock" here could be interpreted as "or cause UB", but then saying "may deadlock" would be redundant as of course a deadlock is a valid implementation of UB. So arguably, UB was not permitted any more for 15 years now.
@Amanieu
So that's pre-2016 glibc versions, if I got the release date right.
Bummer, this means we still need to keep the extra reentrant-rwlock-checks around in libstd (but we should have comments explaining that this is just to defend against non-compliant implementations).
For the question of whether we can rely on macOS using a recent enough POSIX, I found this "conformance statement" but could not figure out which POSIX version it says macOS conforms with.
This is particularly scary... do they still do that? I would think if PTHREAD_MUTEX_DEFAULT == PTHREAD_MUTEX_NORMAL one can assume default mutexes to behave the same as "normal" mutexes... obviously not. Okay, I'll have to figure out a way to make Miri check that.
For Mutex only though, right? Arguably that is compliant with POSIX, the standard doesn't say that PTHREAD_MUTEX_DEFAULT == PTHREAD_MUTEX_NORMAL implies anything, it just seems like a reasonable assumption (that the glibc people seemingly disagree with).
For RwLock though, if they still do lock elision (and don't have any reentrancy guards themselves), that's a clear POSIX violation -- right?
Yes, only for Mutex and only if you don't use pthread_mutexattr_settype to explicitly select PTHREAD_MUTEX_NORMAL. So they are still standard-compliant (ish).
For RwLock they currently don't do elision so they are standard compliant. But old glibc is not standard compliant.
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RalfJung commentedon Aug 6, 2018
I based my statements on http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xsh/pthread_rwlock_wrlock.html. @sfackler points out that at https://linux.die.net/man/3/pthread_rwlock_wrlock, behavior for re-acquiring the write lock is defined as "may deadlock" -- but not UB. However, we also use this implementation on non-Linux platforms, e.g. macOS.
sfackler commentedon Aug 6, 2018
macOS does explicitly identify the behavior as undefined.
RalfJung commentedon Aug 29, 2018
FWIW,
RwLockis also UB on Windows -- actually, evenMutexis wrong there.I think we should stop using the platform-specific implementations, and just roll our own based on thread (un)parking.
sfackler commentedon Aug 29, 2018
cc @alexcrichton - we talked about this a bit during RustConf.
alexcrichton commentedon Aug 29, 2018
I agree that we're basically at the point that there's a ridiculous amount of constraints from OS primitives that the only program which doesn't have undefined behavior is correct ones, and we all know how often we write correct programs.
All these discussions are spread out over a number of issues though and PRs, and it's really difficult to keep it all in my own head at least. "This is UB" is a very strong motivation for reimplementing the standard library's primitives, but I think the scale of a change such as this would probably want to go through the RFC process. Such an RFC would be a great location to centralize all the various hazards of OS primitives and how unreasonable it is for us to try to appease all possible implementations. That in turns provides excellent motivation for alternative strategies.
retep998 commentedon Aug 29, 2018
You mean like this RFC? rust-lang/rfcs#1632
RalfJung commentedon Aug 29, 2018
Correction: Even some correct programs are UB. Reentrancy on the read lock of an
RwLockis a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and yet Windows declares it UB.Whether reentrancy that leads to deadlocks is "correct" is open for interpretation, I guess ;) but anyway, it is safe, and hence "correct enough" for UB to be critical.
alexcrichton commentedon Sep 20, 2018
I've opened an internals post to continue more long-form discussion on the topic of continuing to fix these issues.
Auto merge of #56410 - faern:add-parking-lot, r=<try>
Auto merge of #56410 - faern:add-parking-lot, r=<try>
RalfJung commentedon May 4, 2020
I just noticed that the latest version of the POSIX docs mandate
So some time between the 1997 version and the 2018 version, this seems to have changed.
Can we expect Apple (and generally all our POSIX platforms) to follow a recent enough POSIX to rely on this?
Amanieu commentedon May 4, 2020
Older versions of glibc (pre-2.25) use hardware lock elision on Intel CPUs which makes recursive locking succeed when it should otherwise deadlock.
RalfJung commentedon May 4, 2020
Looks like even the 2004 version already says
"may deadlock" here could be interpreted as "or cause UB", but then saying "may deadlock" would be redundant as of course a deadlock is a valid implementation of UB. So arguably, UB was not permitted any more for 15 years now.
@Amanieu
So that's pre-2016 glibc versions, if I got the release date right.
Bummer, this means we still need to keep the extra reentrant-rwlock-checks around in libstd (but we should have comments explaining that this is just to defend against non-compliant implementations).
RalfJung commentedon May 4, 2020
For the question of whether we can rely on macOS using a recent enough POSIX, I found this "conformance statement" but could not figure out which POSIX version it says macOS conforms with.
Amanieu commentedon May 4, 2020
Relevant issue: #33770
RalfJung commentedon May 4, 2020
Oh, that was for Mutex as well, not rust RwLock?
This is particularly scary... do they still do that? I would think if
PTHREAD_MUTEX_DEFAULT == PTHREAD_MUTEX_NORMALone can assume default mutexes to behave the same as "normal" mutexes... obviously not. Okay, I'll have to figure out a way to make Miri check that.Amanieu commentedon May 4, 2020
I believe they still do that, but I haven't checked.
RalfJung commentedon May 4, 2020
For
Mutexonly though, right? Arguably that is compliant with POSIX, the standard doesn't say thatPTHREAD_MUTEX_DEFAULT == PTHREAD_MUTEX_NORMALimplies anything, it just seems like a reasonable assumption (that the glibc people seemingly disagree with).For
RwLockthough, if they still do lock elision (and don't have any reentrancy guards themselves), that's a clear POSIX violation -- right?Amanieu commentedon May 4, 2020
Yes, only for
Mutexand only if you don't usepthread_mutexattr_settypeto explicitly selectPTHREAD_MUTEX_NORMAL. So they are still standard-compliant (ish).For
RwLockthey currently don't do elision so they are standard compliant. But old glibc is not standard compliant.Rollup merge of rust-lang#71889 - RalfJung:rwlock, r=Amanieu
Rollup merge of rust-lang#71889 - RalfJung:rwlock, r=Amanieu
Rollup merge of rust-lang#71889 - RalfJung:rwlock, r=Amanieu
Rollup merge of rust-lang#71889 - RalfJung:rwlock, r=Amanieu
Rollup merge of rust-lang#71889 - RalfJung:rwlock, r=Amanieu